Hmmm....Back in the original SM, Ardberg and his friends in the HoA along with their recruit/trainee alliance The Forsaken used to engage in this kind of behavior all the time. Now that by 2007 they were reduced to being nothing more than forum jockeys, they complain bitterly about it.
The irony of it all............
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A certain group of players, mainly Armory members, are systematically sabotaging ideas, threads and suggestions they do not like by twisting threads with lies, half-truths and misdirection. A prime example was a reply to my time lag suggestion that was designed to discredit the idea by subtly changing how it would affect things or downright lies on what would be affected. Armory has used this tactic on every post that suggested a change that might make them change there style of play. They get there members to flame and spam these topics with downright false statements and get the rest of the player base to believe that was the original idea. Another example of this is on the newbie killing thread, read it carefully and watch how they just plain ignore half the posts to create replies that suited their own ends. Somebody needed to point this tactic out because it is low and dirty to the extreme and it is being used constantly.
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It has come to my attention that a certain group of players believe that Armory is attempting to manipulate this game to suit themselves. What these players do not realise is that no matter what changes they make to the game, we will generally accept. The issue is, we will learn how to use the changes faster than anyone else can and it will make no difference to us so these people believing that were fear change are either morons or just confused about why we succeed in this game that they cant figure out anything.
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I'd like to make a few points:
While Ard's post might be a tad harsh, I find it unacceptable that Kah calls people "morons". That's no way for a mod to act on the boards that he/she monitors.
The fact that Ard is taking his position public is quite interesting---what's your point Ard? You tell me that I have no business to make my appeal of ban public and yet you come out and try to "inform" the community of a situation--talk about a double standard!!!!!
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Complaining about other players and complaining about admins are 2 different things....
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It's part our fault ard. Stop letting these something they don't have heads dictate where our discussions go. Stop saying the game is hcanging because they are doing something (when in fact these changes are based on exploitations of circumstances that they are the prime example of). Don't empower this group of morons to think they have any say in our lives, that's exactly what they want. As they sit behind their computers for hours and days at a time, their satisfaction comes from evrytime armory or illusions or orca is mentioned. Don't change things or make posts in thier name, just let them live their pathetic lives with no time for anything but SMR.
flame? If i posted that it would be deleted by now =X
we all feel helpless in smr sometimes, even tho most of us want to feel powerful. fact is most us arent admins, most of us arent commitee members, some of us have spock as a persal pen pal and have a legit 2nd account. Point is you feel helpless and you hate it. I have felt this way many times about this web board, when the reality is there are probably only 4 active armory members on this board, the rest hate it, and its even discouraged in our alliance. And please dont just say we have no lives as your reasoning, that is doing nothing but showing how little you understand us.
What makes Armory happy is stuff like this. Not you mentioning our name in a thread.
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I understand what you are getting at Sterling, and I would agree with you, except for the fact that there is a history in SMR of the sqeakiest wheels getting all the grease. This group have shown before that they can push through their agenda by shouting and whining long enough and loud enough (*cough* HoF stats *cough*). I believe they need to be exposed as the manipulative and selfish players they are, for the overall good of the game.
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Ard: How does you not geting what you want make us selfish? Ever reverse that argument, that those of you "squeaking" on the msg board, would get the grease unless someone stops you? I am a beleive in checks and balances... and I am meerly a check, you have checked me before, and its all part of the process of change.
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Complaining about other players and complaining about admins are 2 different things....
Depends if your complaining about an admin as an admin or a player :?:
Problem is to many people ruin other peoples fun to have fun, kind of an oxymoron really.
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Remember something:
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"
While Armory is using a legal tactic and it's helping them get the desired kills that they want, it's also not in the best interest of the game.
However, it's also the situation with many alliances not wanting to lose ships to them--which you'll do one way or another, no?
All it takes is ONE group op to cause Armory to be ineffective for a little bit of time. It's a start, no?
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i dont think a few people are going to stop a legitimate idea- it depends on independent people to think it through which they are perfectly capable of doing! A counter-argument in favor of something should not be construed as anything more than such. People have different ideas, and everyone should live with them. If someone makes a point, come up with a counter point, and so forth. Its called a debate. Now Chill.
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Well it is fact anytime someone suggests a change to cloak you get met with LOL NOOB LEARN2PLAY. I think Cloak needs a super nerf. As far as adding delay for actions, I find that doable also. I know there are people that don't even click in this game, they just use macro programs and bind clicks to them. This allows them to do 2 actions in a time it takes a normal player to do 1. So it's not just ping. Ping would be the only issue if we all used the same client for the game.
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Well it is fact anytime someone suggests a change to cloak you get met with LOL NOOB LEARN2PLAY.
That kind of exaggerating swagger is just keeping things going the way they are; if you want to make a post with something relevant then keep things relevant.
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That kind of exaggerating swagger is just keeping things going the way they are; if you want to make a post with something relevant then keep things relevant.
The kind of post you just posted is exactly what I am talking about. If you read my post past the first sentence, which quite accurately describes the feeling I get from people who don't even read my ideas, then you would see I posted something quite relevant.
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sorry, you lost credibility with the first sentence.
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you guys wanna know whats ruining this game, ill tell you, its posts like this pointing the fingers at other players and flaming other players, instead of trying to help the game and work towards making the game better people choose to blame others, you all should be ashamed..
as for flaming any flame on this thread from here on ill report, idc who it is done by and on whom, for once will all you grow up
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JJ, it's much more complicated than that, be honest!
Look at the Lotus planet situation and how it was dissected by people and other similar situations.
The rules are tough to accept around here because (a) we have a double standard (b) how the rules are understood and enforces isn't popular and (c) the people enforcing the rules or even debating them are in question
right off the bat, the MAJORITY of players in this game are unhappy for one reason or another and most of us are unhappy because of the same problems yet very little is properly addressed.
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izzy im not disagreeing with you, but people need to learn to hold their flames to themselves, we dont need people showing their inteligence or in this case lack of for no reason other than to start a fight
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I'd agree with you if I could think of another method for people to use at this point. With Bob being the only admin that seems to be active and involved in EVERYTHING, he's overwhelmed in situation after situation--it's a FACT that players feel ignored or issues unresolved---while FLAMING might be a bit extreme, I think public displeasure is the only and last resort at the moment. The game is lucky that we still have so many passionate players who want to help and make a difference and help restore this once great game.
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yes and the lack of more than one active admin is killing the game, the need for another one is huge at this point
also if people really need to voice themselves about something, please come to me in chat, i am there for a reason, ill gladly pass your concerns on to the admins
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More active Administration is definitely needed.
Ditto, not that BOB isn't doing a damn good job.
I would say those responsible in Armory for all your woes are not active at all on the WB, in fact they avoid it because they feel that whatever they say will result in a ban. I dunno just my two cents.
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What I say is nothing against BOB, but he isn't a miracle worker, he can't do everything on his own, everyone has real lives to attend.
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Thanks Carnuth for actually bringing what Ard said happens on the rest of the webboard into this very thread.
I agree with Ard and i dont think its just Armoury, I know for a fact i used to support unbalanced ideas to give me an advantage in the way i play the game.
But that was more then a year ago and now im more concerned with fixing problems with the game. I think the cloaks needs to be looked at, same with the IG and a few other things.
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I dont think cloak is near of a problem compared to how weak the other techs are. If anything maybe make the cloak based on XP, but not a time delay. But i totally agree the IG needs a major overhaul.
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**cough** DCS/fury **cough**
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Anybody who doesn't believe that what ard said is happening, take a look at the newbie killing thread, read it carefully and you can watch how armory completely changed what the whole idea was to make it rediculous and useless. Believe it or not, they like the status quo and will use any tricks necessary to maintain it. Basic case in point, none of them have suggested a damned thing other then for the rest of us to be less noobish, sometimes with there help. Not one suggestion has come from that camp as to how to change the game at all. They don't want it to change and its painfully obvious if you look. They taking the approach of "us vs. them" and until they refused to make any real contributions it wasn't. If all you do is attack everybodies' ideas and call them idiots, people will band against you, its how people work. Perhaps everybody doesn't want to play the armory way? And if there is a hell of alot more of us then you, why should we have to quit so you can have your way. The fact is your style of play drives people to quit, you attack in ways that cannot be retaliated against, you do not fight, you just simply starve people out. And you get your kills, but they don't come back for more because they don't come back period. You target noobs to the exclusion of vets and there is no denying that, your actions in manton proved it, it was painfully obvious where the big alliances lay and you never even made an attempt at them. So many people are trying to help the game but you cant even see past your own selfish desires to gain stats. For pete's sake get your heads out of your collective asses and quit running off the new players. They are the future of the game and you are stamping them out with an alarming rate.
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Its cloak + a lot of exp actually :). One of the perks of having high exp. However it has the unfortunate tendency to go away real fast if you mess up and die. Fix DCS then you can do whatever you want to cloak :D.
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Anybody who doesn't believe that what ard said is happening, take a look at the newbie killing thread, read it carefully and you can watch how armory completely changed what the whole idea was to make it rediculous and useless. Believe it or not, they like the status quo and will use any tricks necessary to maintain it. Basic case in point, none of them have suggested a damned thing other then for the rest of us to be less noobish, sometimes with there help. Not one suggestion has come from that camp as to how to change the game at all. They don't want it to change and its painfully obvious if you look. They taking the approach of "us vs. them" and until they refused to make any real contributions it wasn't. If all you do is attack everybodies' ideas and call them idiots, people will band against you, its how people work. Perhaps everybody doesn't want to play the armory way? And if there is a hell of alot more of us then you, why should we have to quit so you can have your way. The fact is your style of play drives people to quit, you attack in ways that cannot be retaliated against, you do not fight, you just simply starve people out. And you get your kills, but they don't come back for more because they don't come back period. You target noobs to the exclusion of vets and there is no denying that, your actions in manton proved it, it was painfully obvious where the big alliances lay and you never even made an attempt at them. So many people are trying to help the game but you cant even see past your own selfish desires to gain stats. For pete's sake get your heads out of your collective asses and quit running off the new players. They are the future of the game and you are stamping them out with an alarming rate.
blah lol shatoopid this is about the 5th essay you wrote today! lol getting tired of reading so much today! blah
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Shtoopid.... Every thread in that sugestions forum has started over something Armory is doing. You bring us into this in every one of your posts. You started this you vs Armory thing.
You are blinded by hatered, your posts show this(flame bait in every post you make), you are so cought up in this you are diving in so fast you are not ever realizing you are asking the wrong question. The question is about helping newbies, Everyone knows this, but bringing up threads about killing the cloak, or adding in time delays because hunters are to fast are not the answer to the newbie problem. You blame Armory, but its the entire SMR system in general which is FUBAR. Players talk to admins and feel ignored, People make sugestions that make votes that get decisive victories and they dont get implemented. Its a helpless feeling which has settled on this community right now, and your assults on these small aspects of the game are drawn from your hatered for what you see as the biggest scapegoat the game has ever seen. Armory is demonized by EVERYONE who is not in it, you think we will not band together and become stronger when every post you make is a personal assult on us? You say we have no lives, you say we ruin the game, you say we can not be retaliated against. And you feel that because we worked hard within the confines of the game to achive the level of dominance and cloak superiority we have, that we are the scurge of the game.
I want to point out a few false statements you make. We do NOT target noobs, we often times in chat dont even go for low exp traders because we are lurking waiting for the top 10 traders to come out. We target the High exp people, and other than that its pings and traps.
We dont sit on warps and camp like you say, we usually hide and wait for you to ping us.
We mined manton for the sole purpose you would have something to retaliate against, no one has tried to clear it, no hunting ops have come to try to take on armory, no one has even tried to retaliate. But you say you cant.
You say our style of play ruins the game, I think hunting is a vital part of the game that your generation of players shtoopid, learned to play on without much hunting. And now that you see this hunting, you think its the pits. I remember games when alliances would get 50 kills a day hunting, we have said before there are only 7 armory members with more than 10 kills, its not like every member is a die hard hunter stlaking newbs 24/7.
So please, lay off the blame game, its old, your posts are tunnel vision of your poor comprehension of SMR. Because you obviously dont understand it. Once you learn to Not die, use the advantages the game gives you, and read the information around you, you will not get any better. You will read this as me saying "get better" at smr, but the only real difference between Armory and any other alliance is their understanding of SMR, and the Understanding of how to find the best way to do anything. Try not dying, Try using your brain when running around the galaxy, think twice before engaging someone. Its all a game and its not all us vs you. Its SMR vs Itself. This is a continuance of the drama you bring to this board, I want to help this game as much as the next guy, ive made SMR websites, Ive helped build tutorials, ive lead more alliances that trained good players than games youve played. You do not know everything so dont pretend to shtoopid. You are the one calling everyone idiots and bringing the intelligence of this web board down, Until you stop the flame bait and personal vendettas these kinds of posts from me will follow.
As for the newbies and Armory making no sugestions, we realize this web board is worthless for ideas because we have no coder to implement them. Alot of Armory is quiting after this game because of the Hatered you and the community spill on them, Alot of others are planning on leading newbie alliances, the only real way to train new players with any productive %. We will see how this game ends, and we wil see how the next one begins, but this hatered you bring will not help anyone or anypart of this game.
I expect you to read my name as poster, not read my post, and flame again. But thats just my expectations. It would be a pleasure for you to prove my expectations wrong!
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The issue is, we will learn how to use the changes faster than anyone else can and it will make no difference to us so these people believing that were fear change are either morons or just confused about why we succeed in this game that they cant figure out anything.
Be at the meeting on thursday...no, you wont learn how to use the changes because they are dramatic. When the new version of SMR is released, ports will change so there are no established routes to sit in fed and hunt, and attacking will be based on how you develop your character and the only thing staying the same with combat is warbird vs warbird combat.
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I dont want to sound like a pessimist, but seeing as i was a member of the alpha team that developed a plan for SMR2 which would entirely new direction for SMR to be heading (and not just a few suggestions, we had the thing laid out and ready to be coded) until it all fell apart, hell the closest we got was a login page with our own personal login and then poof! gone!, i cant help but feel that this "Brand new idea" is going to go down a similar path.
You claim nothing will be the same, which is exactly the idea we went with. our motto, something along the lines of diversity through simplicity or something like that had new races, new combat, new weapons, new trading, new planets, new ports, new forces, new role playing characteristics, new EVERYTHING.
And all that was lost because we were not able to manage such a massive change. (Other reason contributed like some infighting and arguements from ingame spilling over into threads which is scarily similar to the current environment that these discussions are coing from)
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we will have chance to pwn u all in brand new game :)
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The issue is, we will learn how to use the changes faster than anyone else can and it will make no difference to us so these people believing that were fear change are either morons or just confused about why we succeed in this game that they cant figure out anything.
Be at the meeting on thursday...no, you wont learn how to use the changes because they are dramatic. When the new version of SMR is released, ports will change so there are no established routes to sit in fed and hunt, and attacking will be based on how you develop your character and the only thing staying the same with combat is warbird vs warbird combat.
So that sounds like a version of EVE online without Graphics?
Like i said the other day to someone on global messages, since i started to play smr a few years ago only minor things changed. i believe alot of interesting ideias can be implemented in game but remember one thing at least is my personal opinion, i like SMR because its simple.
oh, and why isnt make 2 meetings 5AM in game time is a bit :o up for euro players.
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Shtoopid.... Every thread in that sugestions forum has started over something Armory is doing. You bring us into this in every one of your posts. You started this you vs Armory thing.
You are blinded by hatered, your posts show this(flame bait in every post you make), you are so cought up in this you are diving in so fast you are not ever realizing you are asking the wrong question.
I wont quote the whole thing to save space, but I just pointed out things I thought needed improving, sometimes armory highlighted why. And in a final note, what the hell is the point of us heading to manton, it would just waste our turns, you folks never ever ever come out for a fight so why bother. Oh yes, to help the noobs. Why should we have to spend all our time saving them from you?
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I am with you Sterling. I don't know anything about TK, how long has he played or even if he knows the game well enough. :lol: :lol:
Kahless I was on that deveopment team also, I ended up removing myself from it. When I was asked to join the team I was told it was just to improve the existing SMR not to change it into a completely different game.
So the way that TK is talking it sound like there is a whole new game type coming. :?:
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We mined manton for the sole purpose you would have something to retaliate against, no one has tried to clear it, no hunting ops have come to try to take on armory, no one has even tried to retaliate. But you say you cant.
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As for the newbies and Armory making no sugestions, we realize this web board is worthless for ideas because we have no coder to implement them. Alot of Armory is quiting after this game because of the Hatered you and the community spill on them, Alot of others are planning on leading newbie alliances, the only real way to train new players with any productive %. We will see how this game ends, and we wil see how the next one begins, but this hatered you bring will not help anyone or anypart of this game.
I do not believe that is the reason you mined manton...... I think its because of all the traffic that galaxy gets.... mining it up and waiting for pings is a sure fire way to get kills, as you pounce on people stuck in singles.... However, the map is designed in such a way.... that the vet alliances who live in Livstar have no reason to clear manton and thus you aren't preying on 'cru noobs hehe' like you normally do.... you're preying on the newer players of the game... Until Sufex decides to park his FU on top of some offline cloakers or Selection decides his XP is good enough to park in the open we have no reason to 'retaliate against' you...
Also, i don't believe its 'Hatered' that is making 'a lot' of armory quit next game.... i have talked with a bunch of you/them and it seems shame is the reason.. It seems a fair number of you feel shame for mining manton and don't want to be a part of an alliance like that next game, so they are either quitting or creating a noob alliance so the burden of guilt can be lifted. (Bravo to the ones leaving for a noob alliance)... However, i am sure the egotistical selfish player i would like to see quit will not be quitting next game as breaking the 1000 kill mark will not be enough to satisfy his needs... He will undoubtedly be tryin to break the Master mark next game...
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He will undoubtedly be tryin to break the Master mark next game...
Well if he is doing that, then all he will be doing is purely trading. :) I'm sure a lot would love that..
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And in a final note, what the hell is the point of us heading to manton, it would just waste our turns, you folks never ever ever come out for a fight so why bother. Oh yes, to help the noobs. Why should we have to spend all our time saving them from you?
Well you said you wanted something to retaliate against so we gave it to you. And considering we mess with everyone we see always, proven by 100's of combat logs a day and the most kills in the game, I think its safe to say that we obviously and undeniably DO come out to fight. I am still not sure where you get your facts...
And Purify it was both reasons. Location of travlers, good hunting, gave us something to do with our money, gave everyone else something visable to destroy and also we can now claim we control the biggest galaxy in the game.
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And in a final note, what the hell is the point of us heading to manton, it would just waste our turns, you folks never ever ever come out for a fight so why bother. Oh yes, to help the noobs. Why should we have to spend all our time saving them from you?
Well you said you wanted something to retaliate against so we gave it to you. And considering we mess with everyone we see always, proven by 100's of combat logs a day and the most kills in the game, I think its safe to say that we obviously and undeniably DO come out to fight
And Purify it was both reasons. Location of travlers, good hunting, gave us something to do with our money, gave everyone else something visable to destroy and also we can now claim we control the biggest galaxy in the game.
/me goes and checks the number of sectors Livstar has...
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Besides loty, your post proved my point better then I ever could have. Once again you ranted and raved about how everybody hates you, but you brought nothing to the table. You continually attack every suggestion but bring nothing back. When you start suggesting things and figuring out ideas you have room to talk, untill then 8O and stay out of the way of people trying to do something eh?
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Besides loty, your post proved my point better then I ever could have. Once again you ranted and raved about how everybody hates you, but you brought nothing to the table. You continually attack every suggestion but bring nothing back. When you start suggesting things and figuring out ideas you have room to talk, untill then 8O and stay out of the way of people trying to do something eh?
I want you to re read my post, very carefully, read each line twice, because you obviously didnt read it the first time. I said you have missed the problem completely, I said you are wasting your time arguing about cloaks and time delays when you should be focusing on newbies. you are more worried about me arguing against your misguided arguments that claim to solve problems they wont. You need to for lack of a better word...Chill. :mrgreen:
I also said this web board goes no where, that may be a little harsh, but most of the time these sugestion threads lead to no where. And it is my belief that the only way to train competent players of rthis game is ingame in real alliances. Ive stoped sugesting things because Im fed up with the process and the retaliation associated with it, I would rather support Newbie games, the place 90% of all active vets today came from, and heck, we turned out alright? Or ingame newbie training alliances, which next game I hear will be a few, I have high hope for them and I hope to support them anyway I can.
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I don't even know where to begin. I have billing to get done. Let me just say this. Armory/Illusion/Suckas/Orca and Gang dominates in this game because they are organized. It is something ANYONE CAN DO. However most of us choose to not do it and we wrongly believe if we don't do it then it should not be done that way. Can it be we just don't know how to do it? I know how to organize and run military style ooperations I learned all that in the Army. Bob probally learned alot of the same things in the Army. Where the dominating characters live in RL stuff like tactics and strategy are usually electives taught in High School. I knew this russian chick for some years who can think in amaerican graduate under the table and beyond because of the stuff she learned (and everyone else in her school learned) in HS.
Armory is also made up of members of the Military maybe not the USA military but in some cases a better military. These are people who learned in recent years to fight to live in RL and that spills over in the game. We should be emulating them trying to learn tactics. I can link you to some very nice FREE Tactic courses being taught exclusivly online. One being from a magazine I have been recieving for about a year called Armchair General best tactics tutorial Ive seen. It wont teach you everything but it gives you enough knowledge to make tactical descisions that rock. However I feel not a single person would really give a flying F. Most of you would rather take the easy way out (How typically american ehh) and force the game to change because you all refuse to change. Im am currently working on a high low spread sheet for pod rides based on alliances and levels and player ranks. Allready it (half done) has shown me most of you don't have a clue as to what is really happening to the pod rides. I say 100 pod rides in the last hour and you all say wow armory must have been busy.
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I really dont believe anyone will get anything from this because almost everyone has proven in the past week how narrow minded they really are but here it is http://www.armchairgeneral.com/articles ... 71&paged=2
"Natural hazards, however formidable, are inherently less dangerous and less uncertain than fighting hazards. All conditions are more calculable, all obstacles more surmountable, than those of human resistance. By reasoned calculation and preparation they can be overcome almost to timetable. While Napoleon was able to cross the Alps in 1800 ?according to plan?, the little fort of Bard could interfere so seriously with the movement of his army as to endanger his whole plan." Captain Sir Basil Liddell Hart
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this is a game and is for fun, maybe we all dont want to take things as seriously as the smorca crew?
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Lotus you have once again shown your ability to try and make us all forget what we are talking about by going on and on and on and on and on and on about how this and that are the real problem and not your guys ever present manipulation of the webboard with long winded posts and sarcastic remarks which take away from what is being said in the thread.
There have been plenty of great suggestions put on the board recently and all we get is people like Smor calling us idiots, or noobs and continuously finding something they dont like and hilighting it over and over without reading the counter arguments.
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they have even manipulated this thread into some BS about tactics and some thing about how we should be teaching newbs.
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they have even manipulated this thread into some BS about tactics and some thing about how we should be teaching newbs.
LOL Im not in Armory Im in Galway Pwnage. My name is Alexandr Kerensky.
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Could have fooled everybody in here, specially since you ran with them last game. You talk blindly and follow there party line as well.
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Anyone can say what they want but it looks like some of the Armory members have a good lead in all three prizes for hunters. One of them have a very good lead for first place trader where second and third place trader is still running close.
Not sure about the planet contest but we will find out on or around 9/2/2007.
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maybe people need to stop talking about what crus did or what armory did, and realize the game needs help and all this, for the lack of a better word, dumb, bickering needs to stop, we all know both sides wants the game the way they want it but the more you people argue the less likely there will be a game to play, so grow up already
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Well it is fact anytime someone suggests a change to cloak you get met with LOL NOOB LEARN2PLAY. .
Spot on Astax, excellent choice for an example, a cloak thread will draw out the same group each and every time.
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maybe people need to stop talking about what crus did or what armory did, and realize the game needs help and all this, for the lack of a better word, dumb, bickering needs to stop, we all know both sides wants the game the way they want it but the more you people argue the less likely there will be a game to play, so grow up already
We tried, your group ruined every thread made to that effect.
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Wow, I can't even be bothered to read this anymore. If anyone says anything constructive can someone let me know. I could go visit my little cousins if I wanted to listen to children yell back and forth at one another.
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